seen phoning consorting with and traveling with two underage girls, one of them was jane, he said. but this morning the cross-examination pointed out that he was a liar. he had under oath four years ago given testimony admitting that he had stolen money from jeffrey epstein not once but twice which contradicted his testimony in court yesterday where he said he had only stolen money from jeffrey epstein once. so the credibility of the government witnesses is really coming under fire, quite effectively from ghislaine maxwell s defense. i think a lot of journalists in the courtroom are quite surprised by this. hmp. yeah, i mean in the case in the case of the prosecution, one of the things contextually about it of course is that these were events happening a long time ago
to say i give her props for apologizing, which is not something you hear a lot from, you know, the qanon types of the world, of which she has been a supporter, in the past. but she s still not backing away or apologizing for comparing the, you know one of the two main political parties in the united states, comparing them to nazis. that s exactly right, anderson. and you mention the qanon conspiracy which she, in the past, has endorsed and consorting with folks that believe that conspiracy theory. i specifically asked her about that. there are qanon supporters who deny the holocaust and i asked her to denounce that group, their disinformation they spread. not just having to do with people of the jewish faith but in general. that, that should be something she should disassociate herself from and she claimed she knew nothing about the qanon conspiracy, which is clearly not true. right and also, qanon is
party and doesn t like the chairman michael macdonald who s being accused of using the proud boys to maintain his power and to help censure. there s a lot of circumstantial evidence here. a lot of smoke but there s not any real fire. the secretary of state censured by 14 votes and only identify 3 or 4 of these proud boys and all they did was boast about being deciding votes at that election. nobody knows if that really occurred. but it s clear that this is fueled both the folks in the party who want the party to be a functioning operation and fueled those who believe that macdonald the chairman of the state party is consorting with the folks to try to help keep his power base which by the way is mostly based on the support and friendship with the former president.
representing the president? you know, i don t think we know the answer to that yet. but let me say that without any sort of qualification, mcconnell s comments earlier this week that he would be in lock step with the president represent a complete dissociation from how this process should work. he is, in effect, the foreman of the jury for impeachment. he says that he s consorting with the defendant. the american people shouldn t stand for that. joyce, always great to have you. jeff, scott, domenico as well. go out and enjoy the weekend after you spent the hour with us. that wraps up for me this hour. i m richard lui. coming up next on politics nation, reverend al sharpton sits down with judiciary committee member and chair of the congressional black caucus, democratic congresswoman karen bass of california. thousands of women with metastatic breast cancer,
this was just a really bad one. reporter: you re complete right, victor. of course, the queen turned things around. a lot of negative feeling about her after the death of princess diana she had not been there. she went on the tv and addressed the nation as a grandmother and turned it around and the affection was back. we saw princess diana giving a bombshell interview on the television talking about her feelings, pain during the marriage. we gave a lot to her and gave a lot of pr to her and also william and harry have addressed how that interview addressed their pr a lot. simply the royals were talking, they were not suspected of they were not accused of criminal allegations and they were not, obviously, consorting with a convicted criminal. i don t think andrew realized the gravity of the charges against him and what people were saying. he said, oh, well i ll chat and be me. i think he s a man, to put it