that would last forever. i think at the majority of members of congress understand to have additional revenue. if you look at the percentage of the gdp that comes into the government now it is about 14%, to 15%, traditionally been 18% in that neighborhood. revenue coming into the government has decreased as a percentage of gdp and expenditures that used to be around 19% are up around 25%. we have to bring knows closering together again. chris:ç that brings me to congressman shuller will you support real cuts and entitlements, raising eligibility eligibility age, as part of the deal to cut the deficit and accept the deal that the presidential commission offer which was 3-1 spending cuts to tax increases? i think !wles-simpson report not only reflects the members of congress feel about the program but what the rest of the world is look at america to say are you going
. i have great respect for each of you individually. but collectively, i m worriedç you re gonna fail. fail the country. chris: erskine bowles co-chair of the debt commission sounding the alarm that the congressional super committee will fail to meet its deadline to find 1.trillion in deficit cuts. 100 members of congress representing both calling for the super committee to go big and cut theç national debt by four trillion. joining us the congressman leading the group of 100 north carolina democrat heath shuller and congressman mike simpson. welcome. let s start with the letter that your group, 60 democrats,
repeatedly about four trillion. why isn t 1.2 trillion enough? that does not stable light the debt and start paying down our deficit. it is kicking the can down the road and we are out of road. no matter what theç committee comes up with it is going to be a difficult vote for every member of congress. there s going to be part of it they don t like. the reality is if i m going to make a difficult vote, i want it to mean something. i don t want it to be kicking the can down the road. chris: congressman shuller for all of this talk your group is growing, the fact s i think the prevailing sense, the conventionalç wisdom in washington now is the super committee is deadlocked. in fact, the greatest chances are they are not going to come up with any deal before november 23rd. before we get to whether that is real or not. what do you think the impact will be if the super committee comes up empty on the economy, on the markets, on the credit