but what he did was wrong. when i say ambiguous, i m talking about not as an investigator. you ve had guests formerly with the fbi to talk about that. i understand the investigative value of things and i m not saying there ought not to be a fulsome investigation and i take chairman engel at his word, he sounds responsible to me. you re asking me what i think is the ultimate question as a former independent counsel and the only thing that s relevant here, investigations aside, is whether or not it s sufficient to rise to that high level that constitutes a crime. if it doesn t, then you re never going to have bipartisan support to do the rather extraordinary thing, which is to remove a sitting president from office short of an election. their constructive case will be he abused his power and asked somebody to do something that was good for him in exchange for a certain relationship with the united states. and now here s my i think where people are really
are at risk, that is catastrophe for american foreign policy and we need to learn more about that. she s still working in the state department, she was relieved of the ambassadorship and the point stands. i ask you this because the more people get a clear picture what was wrong, the more they re going to want to know about the argument about the consequence. i appreciate you being candid tonight about it. thank you, sir. thank you, chris. be well. we re going to be staying on this breaking news. you ve got this other potential whistle-blower on ukraine, and what we already know is a lot and it now involves not just the president but the vice president. the vice president said he didn t know anything about the call. now we have reason to believe he did know about the call. he and the white house today slapped with new document subpoenas. let s to discuss with one of it chairman of the committee asking for that subpoena and delivering the same. chairman, congressman elliott
drink it all up. good! could have used a little salt. visit geico.com and see how easy saving on renters insurance can be. this potential second whistle-blower, we hear about it from the new york times, it s a developing story. someone else who says i have firsthand information about what the president did with ukraine, the new york times says they may come forward. we ll wait on that because what we already know is more than enough. let s bring in one of the top impeachment investigators, elliott engel, chair of the house foreign relations committee, congressman, new york. good to see you. good to see you, too, chris. why subpoena? why subpoena pence? why is it worth that level of confrontation? well, he hasn t been
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value of things and i m not saying there ought not to be a fulsome investigation and i take chairman engel at his word, he sounds responsible to me. you re asking me what i think is the ultimate question as a former independent counsel and the only thing that s relevant here, investigations aside, is whether or not it s sufficient to rise to that high level that constitutes a crime. if it doesn t, then you re never going to have bipartisan support to do the rather extraordinary thing, which is to remove a sitting president from office short of an election. their constructive case will be he abused his power and asked somebody to do something that was good for him in exchange for a certain relationship with the united states. and now here s my i think where people are really frustrated. robert ray is probably right, you really got to have the goods on somebody to do something like this. and then we all lived through clinton. and if you switched the rs and ds, the case was made the s