these people are still conspiring. they talk about it all the time. they re getting even the ones we ve arrested in jail are talking amongst themselves, becoming further radicalized. concern about inflation, gas prices, that s a reasonable thing to be concerned about because it impacts you today. i get that. but this is going has the potential to impact you in a much more severe way down the line. so it s important that we look it in the face now and address it now before it happens again and potentially happens with a worse outcome. haunting words are we start the hour. jackie alemany is here, washington post congressional investigations reporter. also joining us, neal katyal, a georgetown university law professor. with us at the table, the executive editor of the recount, john heilemann and joyce vance is here, former u.s. attorney, now a law professor at the university of alabama. lucky for us, all of them are msnbc contributors.
provide security for figures like roger stone, alex jones, ali alexander and michael flynn on january 5th and 6th, describing potential partnerships with other groups and security details. the continuing threat posed by the big lie amid new revelations about the insurrection is where we start the hour. jackie is here, washington post congressional investigations reporter. also, charlie sykes and with us onset, mike schmidt, new york times washington correspondent whose byline is on the times reporting about the national desertification efforts. all msnbc contributors. mike, obviously what jumped out at us was the quote from the judge. explain who he is and the significance of his comments. so he is a leading conservative legal voice. he was someone who was considered by george w. bush to be the chief justice of the supreme court. he was an appeals court judge.
in his effort to overturn the election results. she also said that trump s tweets lay out perfectly his plans to overturn the election results. the times says there are several factors that committee members are considering in this. several factors could worsen or complicate things. for example, there s a possibility a criminal referral of trump could jeopardize the chances of other criminal referral that the house has sent to the doj because it may look like political pressure from a democratic majority congress on the justice department to get this done. there is a lot left to do from the committee. the clock is ticking here. they have an unofficial deadline of the midterm elections to get all this wrapped up and done, cori. allie raffa on capitol hill, thanks. let s bring in jacqueline alemany, a washington post congressional investigations reporter and msnbc contributor. welcome in, jacqueline. thanks for being here. we heard the white house may have enough evidence to make a
the talking on thursday instead of his lawyers. a member of the january 6th committee spoke to msnbc s nicolle wallace immediately following the interview. what i ll say is that, you know, we were able to ask for his impression about these third-party accounts of the events that happened that day and around that day, so he was able to voluntarily provide information to us to verify, substantiate, provide his own, you know, take on this different reporting. so it was really valuable for us to have the opportunity to speak to him. let me bring in my panel. the former assistant director for counterintelligence at the fbi and a washington post congressional investigations reporter. jacqueline, tell us, what are your sources telling you about how this interview went down and the information kushner provided? we haven t gleaned too much new on the actual information that kushner provided, but as the congresswoman on the panel just noted, we have heard that