behind the unconstitutional theory that vice president pence could overturn the election. he responded as well. that is right. we know that the committee has referred eastman on two counts essentially asking the department of justice to investigate the potential breach of two criminal statutes one of which is the obstruction of a official proceeding. the other is a conspiracy to defraud the united states. this is largely symbolic, and of course we ve heard him lashing out at the committee. saying he s using stalling tactics. but what is really interesting in that is that he said he has not yet received a subpoena from the investigation department of justice investigation into january 6th. the reason that this is interesting is that we know when he has acknowledged that multiple people have received subpoenas asking for their communication with eastman. so it appears that regardless of what the department of justice decides to do with this criminal referral they are already looking in
he had plenty of other lawyers and advisers telling him no no no, don t do that. you can t do that. exactly. considering the council that was giving him a bath, possibly unconstitutional advice, in charge of the justice department. right? essentially five really hadn t said, please don t do this, he might have done. it i think is important to really understand that the committee is not just showing us what trump did that day. they are showing us all of the little weak and points of the system. whether that is in the electoral college, in the certification. whether that is in the ability to pressure federal officials. and some of these do have criminal statutes, andrew mackay you talked about this. there are laws on the books again some of these actions. it will be interesting to see what else comes up just the kinds of charges that were suggested. absolutely right. the criminal liability, we ve been very focused as you said jamie on donald trump today. the justice department s focu
representatives. that is the peoples house. we are acting as the servants of the people, as the representatives of the people. it is true that it is not legally binding on the executive branch, it s a good thing that it is not. that s how the separation of powers works. the executive branch is independent. but like every other american citizen, we have the right, one might say, we have the duty to turn over evidence that comes to our attention of crimes against the republic. this is obviously a very serious crime and we have a pretty good sense of everything that took place. that is why that we decided we need to enumerate these for offenses that we saw culpability in donald trump. as well as eastman. so lofgren, who is a democrat from california on the committee, he told cnn earlier that one of the pieces of information that will come out in the full report once they will be the name of the individual who reached out to former mark meadows staffer cassidy hutchinson, advising her to
have power, for people, and people who are not at the top of the social hierarchy. the whole point of the rule of law is that everybody else gets to control the people who get into power. obviously, don trump thought from the very beginning that being president meant that he could convert the government into a money making operation, a instrument for his self interest and and enrichment for his friends and cronies. that follows us for not blowing the whistle immediately when they started. we saw the logical expression of that public philosophy when it got to the coup and the insurrection. he literally thought he owned the government. he could control our elections and he could overthrow the rule of the people. there appeared to be tension between the committee and the justice department as both institutions pursued their own investigations into january 6th. why was it important for the committee to wait until you concluded before you shared all of your evidence, all of your
recommendation directly to the president. and he had refused. just to understand, mr. herschmann says that he has already recommended this to the president and people should be peaceful on january 6th, and the president refused to do that? yes. he said you talk to the president the next day, tell us about that conversation. i don t think it was very long. i just said it was a terrible day, i m working on a long statement. i said it s crazy. what did he say? no, these people are upset, they are very upset. the people he said he loved in his message on the sixth, now he s talking about pardoning if he is elected president again. jake, there s also the question of how the committee s actions are going to be received and what their full report, which by the way is due