increase the pressure in ways that maduro himself may not even imagine at this point. we know you ve had the president s ear on this. we have a picture of you on air force talking about venezuela with him when you were in office. what s the next step? is it sending 5,000 troops down to colombia? what is it? well, i think we re way far away from a military intervention. and i certainly don t think that s necessary at this point. i think the next step here is stronger oil sanctions. perhaps an oil embargo as opposed to just the restrictions that were placed on monday. but we could see some escalation here soon, and obviously this is big news here in miami where tens of thousands of venezuelan exiles live. yes. we appreciate you joining us to talk this through. thank you. there are other important talks on both ends of pennsylvania avenue. on the hill that conference heating is finally getting on its way to negotiate its way