and now we ll know because she s putting forward her e-mails this is, i think, what bugs people. that the rules were pretty clear. your e-mails should be preserved. do you really think when they wrote preserved, i m not talking about breaking the law. i m talking about her spokesman said living up to the spirit and the letter of the law you think that s with keeping of the spirit if you don t turn these over while you re secretary of state you don t turn them over when you leave as secretary of state? you don t turn them over until two years after you leave and it s only after the state department lawyers confront you? okay, that s also faster than any previous secretary of state passed over the e-mails. so obviously she handed over e-mails previous secretaries of state didn t hand over that s not true. john kerry uses the government e-mail. so they re all contemporary i was saying previous. previous to condi rice didn t use the government e-mail. she didn t use any e
there were also e-mails turned over to trey gowdy s committee for that request. that is a separate request than what we are talking about. 55,000 pages of e-mails is an unprecedented level of transparency. and she is the only person as i ve just pointed out who actually has responded to that. so if this is really about she is the only person running for president. we re concerned about the use of e-mails. if that is really your concern, why aren t we talking about condi rice or condi rice didn t use e-mail. hold on. it sounds like a lot. but we re never going to know how much there really were, right? because she was in control of it. isn t that the problem? what if there were 150,000. we don t know. or how secure they were. any copies of any e-mail she may have sent to someone within the government because that person it was maintained on the server. yes. and again, the federal records act, the spirit of that law, the point of that law is to ensure that records are
within a week to ten days, this is the kind of thing that was happening when i was out at the c.i.a. for five days and nights when even now trying to tell the american people that they were confident and telling the truth. so i just want to clarify. you didn t know that the secretary of the program, it looks like condi rice didn t know about the program. there were a lot of people at the highest levels of government in the executive branch who did not read into the fact that we were torturing people. i think that s true. i ll go out on a limb who said the only person who was completely read in. but the one who had been read in the need for the law to cover their rear ends and the need to continue the program because it was effective was richard bruce cheney. he was the man in the shadows orchestrating all of this. the story the c.i.a. sold the white house and the american people and the effectiveness for the interrogation program,