about putin s demands? well, listen, they are certainly not setting high expectations for any immediate concrete progress to come out of this conversation. it s important, of course, that this call came at vladimir putin s request. white house officials said they saw no reason to reject that request, particularly at what one senior administration official called a moment of crisis. this will be an opportunity though for president biden to once again reiterate what the costs will be on russia if indeed vladimir putin decides to invade ukraine and that s to say crippling economic and financial sanctions on russia, the likes of which were not imposed by the u.s. after russia invaded and annexed crimea in 2014 and also a continuation of nato support for ukraine.has said before that if nato rants if russia wants nato to be further away from its borders, this is certainly not the way to accomplish that. at the same time senior administration officials have made clear that they will also
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so, the conversations are continuing. but we don t know if there is any sort of concrete progress on these humanitarian corridors which, remember, the ones that russia has suggested would have ukrainian citizens walk into belarus or into russia. that is certainly not where they want to be. and anderson, earlier today we heard the french foreign minister talk about how this is straight out of the russian playbook. this is what they do. they bombard, they then suggest that a corridor is set up, they go to negotiations, that corridor then comes under attack, and the russians accuse the other side of a provocation. everything falls apart. and they go straight back to bombing. and that is what we have seen over the course of the past few days. in fact, the russians today, just today in those talks, accused the ukrainians of violating the agreements over those corridors, of nazis they said, of firing on the ukrainians to who were trying
ukrainians. mr. zelenskyy himself, in the meantime, is offering what could be a significant concession, saying pretty plainly that nato ukraine will not now or in the immediate future seek membership of nato. but as this fighting continues across the country, the refugee crisis also grows. the u.n. now saying that something like 3 million refugees have fled ukraine looking for safety in the country s western neighbors. 3 million people. the vast majority of them, of course, women and children, todd and carley. todd: the number expected to grow. jonathan hunt, thank you. let us bring in, thank you so much for being here. jonathan hunt reporting breaking news that foreign minister lavrov of russia says there s been concrete progress. of course everything else we hear from russia needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
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