threshold, i think we crossed a threshold in thinking that, well, maybe a former president is not untouchable. so the unthinkable becomes thinkable now. we ve got a couple grand juries working. all of a sudden, it is not inconceivable, to i think anybody, that, eventually, we could see charges coming out. i think that s why donald trump, it seems to be so, is worried and frantic. i think he gets that. i think he gets that, at least a layer of his untouchability has been stripped away. he is more vulnerable than he s ever been. and the streams of the legal stories flowing out of the 2020 election and the president leaving the white house continue. there s another one here with newly obtained records reportedly showing the trump legal team hired computer experts to breach voting
world s effort to overturn the election. this is scary. the washington post reports that a team of computer experts directed by trump ally lawyers like sydney powell copied sensitive data from election systems in georgia. in fact, the post reports that the group attempted to access the voting equipment in at least three battleground states. attorney sidney powell sent the team to georgia and attempted to do the same in the detroit area, all according to the records. a trump campaign attorney engaged a team to travel to nevada and the day after the january 6th attack on the capitol the team was in southern georgia copying data from a dominion voting system in a rural countip. joining me is arizona s current secretary of state katie hobbs. thanks for being here. this is very frightening to here. what does it mean for the trump-aligned lawyers to have access to this type of information? well, i think i m glad to
arguing that graham did not act inappropriately when he phoned georgia election officials after the 2020 election. georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger, a republican, has accused graham of implying that raffensperger should try to throw away ballots. also today, a new report in the washington post says that a team of computer experts working with trump s team copied sensitive data from georgia s election systems and that lawyers allied with trump asked a forensic data firm to access election systems in at least three battleground states. this afternoon, we also learned a federal justice department grand jury has subpoenaed trump white house lawyer eric hirschmann, probably best known for telling the january 6th committee about his conversation with john eastman, that eastman of course was the lawyer who came up with that crackpot unconstitutional scheme to steal the electoral votes in the house. here s what he says he told him. i said to him, are you out of your f ing mind
that s what s scary about it. some of the democrats have been accused of playing with fire by supporting these more extremist republican candidates hoping that will give them a leg up. we saw that play out in michigan with congressman peter maier. what do you think? can the democrats say this is an existential threat to the country but we re going to play cute by helping to nominate some of these election denying republicans. i think it s quite dangerous because it s not just what happens in 2022. they re laying the foundation for the next president election in 24 because these people, if they win, they will be the ones to decide whether to certify the next election. we re in an existential crisis. we cannot allow people who will break the law, who will lie, who believe the big lie, to be elected. i don t think i think democrats could win even if they had moderates that they were running against in the republican party. francesca, the washington post is reporting a group of
the story gets so complicated and we will continue to put it into context to wrap our arms around the entire story. two paths, the creation of the steel dossier through bar talk and nonsense in europe, 2, creation of data here with supposed computer experts that shows connection to the trump campaign and alpha bay, created and both of them peddled to the fbi, cia and media and the only media that would take it was bo s feed. that was the only one that took the bait in the beginning and everyone had the excuse that it s even more important as you pointed out nobody s talking about it. if you re out there not watching fox news, and elon musk highlighted this week, you don t know this is going on right now. lawrence: can i stop your second kid? talked about it going to the fbi. at the civil libertarian that