department is. he was still very much out there, trying to figure out what he wanted to do with the department. here we are, now over a year into this administration. do you have the sense that he has now a clear sense, clear vision with what he wants to do with that department? no, absolutely. when i was there with hud initially, the listening tour was actually my responsibility. so i m extremely familiar with it. as jason alluded the objective was to give dr. carson an opportunity to not only talk to hud employees out in the field, not only to talk to stakeholders but the recipients, individuals who rely on hud for their every day. at the end of that course, dr. carson decided, as jason also mentioned, to launch the envision centers, publicly announced in december. so now senior staffers are currently in the process. i ve spoken with several today before appearing on your show. they re in the process now of setting up those envision centers. community collaborative effort to benefi