but now, the former white house covid advisors are singing a very different tune writing policymakers need to specify the goals and strategies for the new normal of life with covid-19 and communicatent them clearly o the public. the national strategy, humility is essential. joining me now stanford medical school professor. these are the same doctors who have been smearing you and folks like the doctors for questioning the hysteria and the mantra that has been repeated time and again saying we have to learn to live with this virus and it seems like they are saying that. well, what we have on hand is a failed policy. we have tried for two yearske fruitlessly to basically contain and stopd the virus, maybe even try to get it to zero. it was clear from very early