islam. are you worried he will get wrong information? i m familiar with that clip you have just shown. i of course have not met the general. i m not sure that that expresses the totality of his views. certainly islamism is a political totalitarian ideology and in this country, in the united states and in europe, it strives to be seen as a minority religion that. has to be exposed. if there is further opportunity for general flynn to speak, i m sure he would come up with that. i m not sure that one segment captures his mood, nor does it capture i think the essence of the trump administration s position which is going to be to separate pluralistic muslims from islamists who masquerade as religious actors but are actually no more religious than communism or naziism. i do agree with you that a ten-second sound bite does not summarize an entire administration s position but it
does give a kind of troubling potential insight. let s move on. to combat islamism you wrote that quote, trump must empower our enforcement agencies with necessary surveillance methods, targeting islamists, sympathizing behaviors, whether of individuals or organizations. so what does that look like to you and how do you do it without profiling in an open democratic society? great question, and one i struggle with daily as i think about these things and write about them. i think let s look at what the muslim world is doing. the united arab emirates in 2014 has designated the muslim brotherhood as a terrorist organization and actually also identified the council on american islamic relations in the same status. there clearly is a mechanism to expose organizations, individuals, institutions that have behaviors that sympathize with islamists. the 1993 world trade center bomber and also mohammed atta,
one of the pilots of the 9/11 attacks were affiliated with islamist mosques in munich. the mosque may not have instructed or paid those individuals to do this but they were very much inspired by the ideology. we do have to do forensic examination of finances as well as so-called advocacy groups to see whether they are harboring similar sympathies. this is something the muslim world is scrutinizing. the muslim world, over 300 million muslims live in the middle east and north african area, 1.3 billion live elsewhere. we are in our own communities struggling to expose jihadists and islamists. muslim armies are at war with this. muslim politicians are losing their lives fighting this battle. there s no reason why we are not going to have to do the same scrutiny here in the united states. point well taken. thank you very much for talking to us this morning. still to come, an eye for an
benefits muslims like me, civil islam, muslims that don t subscribe to that view. and he s also taking, assuming the presidency, at a time when the political will to combat islamism in the muslim world is extraordinary. in jordan, in egypt, in saudi arabia, this is a golden moment for him to act. all right. well let me ask you this, because the man that mr. trump has chosen to advise him on these issues is the incoming national security adviser general michael flynn. he doesn t necessarily make a distinction between islam and islamism. slaum is a political ideology. it s a political ideology. it definitely hides behind this notion of it being a religion. so my question is, this is the man who has got the ear of the president and will be informing him on issues like