Everyone. Before 9 11 and, of course, before becoming trumps wing man, a man by the name of Rudy Giuliani made his name from putting mobsters behind bars. He did so, i might add, using the very same laws that are being used against him now. Two decades ago we he actually wrote in his book on leadership, and im quoting, here i dreamed up the tactic of using the federal racketeer influence and corruptions act to prosecute the mafia leadership. Unquote. Otherwise known as rico, for those following along. At the time, the law actually was relatively new. The giuliani, he popularized it making it the model for state and federal prosecutors for decades to come when it comes to large groups attempting a type of conspiracy, including, i might add, fani willis. The Fulton County d. A. Is now charging Rudy Giuliani with several crimes for his efforts to allegedly overturn the election, including racketeering. Now, the rico laws, something that he has, well, he has championed for years. The upper
wednesday. my next guest has a new column arguing that it just got a whole lot likelier. daily beast columnist matt lewis joins me now, he s also the author of the new book filthy rich politicians. matt lewis, nice to see you here on this evening. listen, i bet fox news hopes you are right because they definitely would like him to be on that debate stage. i m not sure the other candidates, on the one hand want him to be there, but they know that it will be a bigger draw. he s been playing coy, to say the least, over his plans. why do you think that this would be something that is more likely now? well, first of all, you have serious people wanting to talk about law staff and prosecutors and as a political pundit, we re obsessed with things like debates. so this is been a big question for a long time. will donald trump show up to the debate and it s hard to tell because he likes drama.
opponents. that s un-american and unacceptable. if you disagree with some of the criminal charges here, if you think there s an overreach, it doesn t get rid of the underlying conduct. i think it s an example of the criminalization of politics. i don t think this is something that s good for the country. the florida governor, ron desantis, are saying the indictments have helped trump in the polls. will they lead him to the debate stage that s coming up this wednesday? my next guest has a new column arguing that it just got a whole lot likelier. matt lewis joins me now. he s the author of the new book filthy rich politicians. matt lewis, nice to see you here. i ll bet fox news hopes you re
welcome back. even though governor john kasich won only one primary, ohio last year, we develop add reputation as a republican who was willing to work with democrats and say what was on his mind. friday he had a column arguing that republicans are trying to repeal and re-write the law without democrats. he joins me now. it s not sustainable. if you don t get both parties together, nothing will be sustainable. if they pass this just by themselves, we ll be back at this again. in three years whenever democrats take over. i was there when we created the chip program, the health program. it was done on a bipartisan buy sis. i was there in 97 when we did the budget deal. it was sustainable. but when you jam something through, one party over the other, it is not sustainable. i want to get to some of the
and the friend who saved her, and i thought how frustrated must he be not to be able to come out and say we have to get these kinds of guns off the streets. one of the things that s amazing is both of these candidates in the past have supported more serious forms of gun control and they feel incapable in the current political environment of doing that. major s colleague, ron brownstein, actually has an interesting column arguing that it would not be at least for the president, political suicide that some people think, that the kinds of voters that are still up for grabs for him, college educated women, minorities, are actually supportive of gun control but obviously, as you can see from the white house s response, the campaign s response, and everybody on the hill, that s not the conventional wisdom. they re worried about west virginia, missouri, pennsylvania, ohio, michigan. they re worried about places where north carolina, virginia, clearly where the gun lobby is very, very im