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john: former general keith kellogg, co-chairman of the american first policy for american security. all the talk, general, this afternoon has been this appeal that zelenskyy has made to nato to commit to a no fly zone over ukraine, which basically, the color blue, because nato is known as the blue force, that would basically make all of this an area north of crimea, where russian planes could not fly. what the nato secretary general said about it. we are not part of this conflict and have a responsibility to ensure it does not escalate and spread beyond ukraine. we understand the desperation but we also believe if we did that, a no fly zone, we would end up with something that could lead to a full-fledged war in europe involving much more countries and much more suffering. general, you say there is a way to do it, how. i think there is, and i think we are walking into act two of a greek tragedy, and that act two will start with the russians

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