are far from it, because of the time they ve given kyiv to pair the defense, and see them doing that. like you said, every day we have a talk, ukraine is winning, they re preparing to turn koyiv into a mind grinder. they have reached the gates. hopefully the gates of fire. they re going to start hitting it, and i mean, beyond what i think anybody is really expecting, especially if you can get the civilians out. it s almost at his advance. i m talking world war two, thousands of rounds a day, and they have to get to me, two places they can survive and be ready to fight. colonel spencer, thank you, we ll see you soon. thank you. the world watching as russia invades ukraine, bombing civilian homes. will anything get vladimir putin to step down. the former direct of national intelligence james clapper joins me n next.
thinking here at all or you still believe that? no, absolutely not. what i ve seen so far is unfortunately, what i would have predicted. it s the strategy that russia has to go forward with. i mean, that s their strategy. they bomb the city heavily before entering it. i mean they only, they only lost 2,000 soldiers in grozni but up to bombic 30,000 artillery rounds a day, killed civilians after they re only lost 20 this is urban warfare, you bomb it before you get there, you surround it, hoping they ll just give up which hopefully the ukrainians don t and then you expose your troops to the hell that is urban combat. but didn t you tell me, colonel, that in an urban fight, that you need five times the troops to get to one defender but we re already seeing the
residents trying to escape the bombs. joining me now is colonel john spencer at madison policy forum. i love having you on. i learn a lot from you every time you re on. thank you so much for joining, colonel. these new videos, this video shows the horror of this war. a residential apartment building up in flames. this is what s left of a school in the northern city of chernyv, that was weeks ago, and a church in a small town outside kyiv. are we seeing a new phase in this war? i think we re seeing the transition, don, really from what i would consider phase one to phase two, and the icc is already going to investigate these, and they say these are war crimes, those are protected sights. he s going to claim these are enemy locations, and this is really phase one of bombing. any enemy location, he ll say
should produce our own praying for ukraine, not only as putin said, and some western media did that through this time as ukraine is anti-russia. it is not antihigh te-russia. ukraine is ukraine. that s the point, we are not something opposite to that. we are something different and that s what i m trying to say. i appreciate you coming on, and we think it s important that people get to hear from the people of ukraine t that the world gets to see it and hear it and try to understand wla you re going through, and hopefully it will bring this to a resolution, and hopefully that resolution will be peaceful soon. i appreciate you appearing. thank you so much. i want to bring in cnn military analyst, and retired colonel, cedric leighton, thank you so much. what do you think when you hear these stories? i think what alexander was
that s so fast, colonel, there s no way to get away from that. it happens in seconds, a second. multiple people were killed, including a mother and her two children seen in this horrific video. how can ukrainians hold on to their cities with this kind of attack? one, we as the international community have to demand that the civilians flee. the civilians are allowed to get out. you could see there there was somebody there with a weapon. he s going to claim that s the whole point of why militaries don t want to fight in urban areas because of the location to civilians and the restrictions that used to force. clearly russia is flying loose when the restrictions are forced, the way the ukrainians survive this is prepare for the next phase. this is going to get worse. and luckily there was some cease fires.