as we know in washington with national security agency spying powers, there has been a huge debate how much information the government should have access to unless it s part of a criminal case. what i will say that is super interesting, there s always been two issues as part of the 2016 campaign we have been trying figure out. one is the collusion issue. was there collusion between trump and his associates and people working against hillary clinton, primarily the russians. the other is did the russians meddle? a lot of people don t the like the idea that the russians meddled on behalf of trump. who likes that idea? if you re a trump supporter they think it s a good thing? they don t think the russians would have wanted to help trump. they would have wanted to help clinton. that would signal trump maybe was of not such a good guy. that is a hermetically sealed universe. you know these kind of universes exist. my point is what this shows is possibly real concrete evidence o
how do you verify it because they could have been exaggerating or lying. i think that s led them down the financial road avenue to look to see if anymore crimes were committed, also to see if that could give them leverage in terms of cooperation among the subjects in the investigation. as i pointed out in my story, a lot of the leads coming into doj that have nothing to do with russia collusion are still going to the special council probe. they want to see everything they can, or see if crimes were committed, but to gain leverage in the investigation. and jeff retoobin go ahead. i wanted to add one point about the collusion issue, yes, that is the origin of this investigation, but there is no such federal crime as collusion. the question of any sort of collaboration between the trump campaign and russian officials or russian business people, it is not clear if that is criminal. so what is certainly criminal is
all right. on the left of your screen, huntington west virginia where the president will be addressing crowds, hours ahead of his appearance there, they were lined up and waiting. none of thinks dissuaded them by this development about the grand jury by bob mueller into the collusion issue, if there is an issue there. a lot of lawyers saying it s a second nature to do this as a perfunctory kind of thing. meantime, peter doocy in west virginia with the crowd. how are they feeling about this, peter? so far, neil, nobody is saying anything about this trump rally about russia. the thing they re buzzing about, the news that we just confirmed at tonight s rally, about four hours from right now, the state s democratic governor, jim justice, is going to stand with
not to add any more pressure but the president just read the article. he wants the article out immediately. today, that donor, the man in the middle telling abc news he s never even spoken to the president before. i didn t speak to anybody at the white house. i was being sloppy with my words. reporter: and late today, the white house was pressed about that story that later outraged seth rich s own family. the president had no knowledge of the story and it s completely untrue that he or the white house had any involvement in this story. tom llamas with us live outside fox news in manhattan, and fox news is pushing back against the claims made by this investigator. reporter: yeah, david, and we should also note that this investigator is a fox news contributor. fox news telling us tonight that they see no evidence that they misquoted that investigator. as for the allegation that they first published that story to help detract from coverage of the russian collusion issue, the
msnbc. welcome, congratulations. thank you so much. let s get down to business. your first reaction to jared kushner s statement. his statement tells two stories. one, he was sought after by people all over the world within and from out this campaign because of his can-do ability, his expertise, and two, he is a novice, who knows nothing about how campaigns work, how to read or finish e-mails, how to go in and out of meetings, how to exit a meeting without his assistant. two narratives, one fairly good with regard to the criminal issues in this case but obviously there s some tension. if you believe he is a novice and innocent of mind and heart, that for the collusion issue suggests he got mulled in and out of meetings and discussions with ambassadors and didn t really know what was going on. however absurd diplomats in both parties have told us the notion of going to the russian embassy to do communications was, his new statement today suggests that that was an idea that came