i m not stupid enough to do that. we ve had we ve had various times where everyone was dead certain that it was happening or coming to a conclusion within a matter of weeks or months, only to end up in this current state. that said, all the signs seem to be pointing in that direction. obviously rod rosenstein had let it be known he was not going to leave before the probe s conclusion and he is now apparently nearing the exit doors. so it does seem like we re getting towards that sort of uncertain conclusion. yeah, i think the politics will be explosive. obviously a lot of it depends on what happens with what mueller produces and whether there even is a report and whether that report is made public, but also there is a very good possibility that the conclusion comes with some more indictments, which, of course, would be explosive in its own right. then on top of that, as you noted, we have this cohen testimony which has been delayed on a couple of different occasions. you know, it s d
online earlier this week. again, that roger stone hearing ought to be pretty dramatic. that s 2:30 tomorrow afternoon. we ll all watch together. and then after that i ll see you here tomorrow night. now it s time for the last word with lawrence o donnell. good evening, lawrence. good evening, rachel. people have had their bail revoked for a lot less than threatening imagery of the judge in their case. yeah. so it could well be that this time next week, this time next week roger stone is behind bars and therefore might not be able to watch michael cohen s testimony this time next week. yeah, i don t know about, like, c-span in the federal lockup. i don t know. it depends on luck of the draw of where you are and, you know, some of them have tv. some of them don t. we ll see what happens. wow. well, you know this week, i mean, these hours, rachel, yours and mine on this night next week will be the post-michael cohen testimony hours. the first public testimony
you say. oh, by the way, cohen s not he s appearing voluntarily, not under subpoena, and that will make the interview or the testimony more free-ranging. it won t be constrained by worries about its effect on mueller s testimony. so you ll have some really vivid questioning by the democrats. then it will be a republican s turn to basically lambast him. then you ll go back to the democrats with more vivid uncovering of things we ve heard about in the abstract but nothing like having the details really revealed. it s going to be a dramatic day. lisa, i think we know what to expect, as harry just said, from the democratic side. they are just going to want to help michael cohen get his story out with as much detail as possible. on the republican side, with your experience in the senate judiciary committee, what are you expecting tactically on the
put michael cohen on the defensive. cohen has been, you know, very contrite in his statements to the court. he s, you know, expressed, you know, regret over his role in these crimes, and i think that it will be very hard for the republicans to sit still and hear michael cohen testifying under oath about specifically, as you said, lawrence, president trump and candidate trump doing x or y and being complicit in trying to, you know, hide the money in his involvement in the hush money and other activities in terms of trump s business interests in russia, which he lied about and denied repeatedly during the campaign and has continued to lie about. so we ll have an opportunity to really hear from michael cohen about a range of issues. and as harry said, he s not subject to subpoena. and that means that there will be a free range of testimony that can be offered about these really serious matters. sam stein, quickly before we
testimony like this, what do you two things. what are you expecting from that testimony next week? and do you see in it an indicator that we could be near the end of the robert mueller investigation? well, i share your uncertainty and harry s uncertainty. i think there are a lot of tea leaves out there, but it seems that there are a lot of things that remain outstanding for the special counsel. i do think next week we re going to see reprieves of the republican grande standing and public hysteria that they expressed at the hearing earlier this year in which they make all these accusations to try to disrupt those hearings. i think we re going to see possibly some very compelling testimony because of the plea agreement that michael cohen has entered into. and it s important that we see that testimony as the american people because we don t know what s going to happen at the justice department with william barr as the attorney general, in terms of his approach to this, or with the new