exceptions to that rule. you know where the exception is? look at the manafort trial and rick gates. gate indicted along with manafort and cut his deal post-indictment. they wanted to put pressure on him and that s how they did it by inditding him. that could be going on here, too. i think we are getting they re getting in my ear. shimon? you are the one that broke the news that cohen is in fbi custody. what do you have now? right. he is with the fbi now. he s greeted there at the fbi. by investigators by the public corruption unit at the new york office. investigating him quite sometime now. he did surrender to them and processed. we re also getting word on the charges that michael cohen pleading guilty on and that s just handed to me so we re told that as part of the deal he s expected, michael cohen is expected to plead guilty to multiple counts of campaign finance violations, tax fraud
like paul said. we were all assuming and certainly michael cohen gave every indication that he was ready, willing and able to cooperate. but typical course would have been cooperation prior. he s going to say exactly al aloecute and the crimes he s guilty of. they charge you with every single crime they can. it s kind of a confusing to call it a plea deal. there s no deal involved. it s just pleading to the crimes pleading guilt. correct. pleading guilty. so the deal aspect connotes a cooperation and a plea doesn t exclude cooperation and at this point there s no cooperation. you know the mechanics of this whole thing, it s off. something s something s strange happening because usually when there s a voluntary surrender for processing, he is having the fingerprints taken and all of that in place before
michael cohen to get a sort of a better deal had he allowed prosecutor dos prosecutors to go ahead and it s expected any day now and looks like he negotiated a better deal for himself an appears may land him in jail for up to three years, again, substantial fine. he ll lose some other money. but really, the point here we re told is that he wanted to protect his family in all of this. what we were just talking about, family piece of all of this for anyone. shimon, thank you so much for those key pieces of information. laura, let me just go back to you on now we know, pleading guilty. multiple counts of campaign finance, tax fraud, bank fraud. in jail up to three years and to your point on family, worried about the money and protecting his kids and his family. i mean, the art of self preservation here. that s what every defendant has
about one count you think? reading the tea leaves in the text, there s more to the question they asked to indicate they had come to a consensus on the 17 counts. he delivered the alan charge which i love. it s so funny. go back and make a decision and also don t, you know, change your minds so i mean, it is a little bit of a the idea to conserve resources. nobody likes a hung jury. it s not that big of a deal one count the government is going do see it as a huge win with a conviction on 17 counts. and this is just further emblematic of this judge keeping the train on the track. rock it, docket. he wants a verdict on all 18 f. you re the prosecutor, you want the judge to tell them, look, you can hang on one count. give us the other 17 and the fear is they misunderstand somehow and think if they can t get to consensus on 18, throw it all out. which is the prosecutors don t want this.
if you do decide to cooperate. or do you take the deal and then spill the beans? yeah. so the whole ball game is credibility. as cara said, if he s cooperating he s going to be a handful to get him corroborated. what does that mean a handful? he is going to have credibility issues all over the place because he s doing i would presume committing crimes, financial, campaign and otherwise with and for the trump people for decades. i ve done trials where the key witness has been a cooperating witness is a murderer. i m sure you guys have, too. we know how to corroborate that person. look at the forensics, the body. does it match up? in a way that s almost easier than corroborating someone like michael cohen where so much of what he has to say deals with complex financial transactions and word of mouth. so the number one thing that the prosecutors look for, can we bank a trial on him? how s he banked up? i want to hear his tapes, number one. so important. i want do see the bank re