source that you re talking to. the difficulty that we have is that we ve got a mix of individuals and/or families as it relates to the processing, some of which have gone through it, many of which have not, and they ve been relying on either the cpp 1 app or they ve been trying to file their applications online. host recently we found that you re not able to travel if you go through the online process or also what s referred to as the pro se. so again, that means they re staying in el paso. so john, i mean, i was actually in one of your shelters back in september speaking to folks there, how have thing changed since september to now at the different centers that you re in charge of? in all honesty, even at the height of what we saw at the latter part of 2022, we ve never seen the situation as critical as what you ve got here.
the end game here? she s exactly right. the one thing that he made a good point at in all of the video i ve been watching is he instructed diswhrawj he actually asked for an assistant counsel stand by counsel in the judge allegedly denied that stand by counsel. that s going to be an issue. what happens with prosed defendants just like this almost all of the time everyone that i ve ever watcheds i ve been stand by council for a pro se evidence and they don t nosering that s going on it gets more and more frustrated. ening you re giving him a lot of credit to say that he has this idea that he s going cause this havoc. and it is going cause a mistrial like that s his kind of thinking. i think he s just dwhieng he normally does, yorng he knows rules of evidence. obviously, i ve represented attorneys that don t want to represent themselves. so when an individual says i want to go forward, and represent myself, right off the bat the judge has to ask them certain questions to make sure