rhetoric, only in the united states because of the first amendment. it s a very complicated thing. 8chan is not a place that a regular company that s about to ipo would love to have in its portfolio. that s what happened with cloud flair. they said this is enough of this thing and it s going to go away. it would seem, not to oversimplify this, ben, it would seem that just basically it would be a game of whack a mole. one server shuts them down, they pop up on another. it is a game worth playing, i think. everything on this website is talking about the race war and calling this man a martyr today. it s not a website of anything other than an act of war at this point. they are fully into the idea that this martyred person is for the cause of, you know, white young men. that s where we re at with this website. that s what s happening on this site now.
8chan, this message board to which investigators say the el paso shooter posted this manifesto as it s being called, has been dropped by the host site, cloudflair, is that necessarily good news for investigators looking for potential threats? well, victor, as we find with all crime, it s almost like a sense of playing whack a mole where wherever law enforcement focuses, the bad guys always take the path of least resistance and they always move to another platform. this is great news that that platform is basically being shut down but it does not mean that they will not find another media platform from which to share this hateful rhetoric. for all of us, it s a matter of resources. how do you monitor all of these
the shooting in el paso was preceded by a hateful post on 8chan. cloud flair has terminated their service. it radicalize people and spread hate. i m joined by former director of counterterrorism ben rasmussen. unfortunately, ben, i probably have to call you broken record ben because we have had this conversation over and over. but help us understand how the post we saw before the el paso shooting, what it was and how it connects to previous posts. . sure. 8chan has become a dumping ground for manifestos. who runs it? a guy in the philippines. the was sold to him by a man who
been able to get back a up again. so cloud fair that initially hosted them, they just pulled them off their service. they said that s enough, we can t do this anymore. cloud flair is about to ipo. they can t deal with an extremist website in their portfolio. we re technically hosted by a site called ethic and that site, all of their equipment is hosted by the other thing and they said we re not going to deal with any of you. they also host another white nationalist site and this has a cascading effect across the white nationalist web today: they re going to have to go to a spammy provider in russia or the ukraine who are blocked by a lot of browsers and isps. it will be malware and viruss and fishing stuff and then and then 8chan. you, jake, have been working on this for a while.
people they have control of their platform. you begin to look at these ads and it s really hard to decipher because some of them aren t correct facts. very much they re trying to divide the country. and you re beginning to see tech owners really grapple with the power. what do we do with had content, if it s been weaponized, if there s a gray area in between. i spoke to the founder of cloud flair. they power a good part of the internet. he made the decision recently to kick off a neonazi site. it seemed like a no-brainer and he talked to me about that power and what happened when he did that. take a listen. he said i woke up in a bad mood and decided someone shouldn t have been allowed on the internet. i think we have the right to pick and cloos whoose who we do