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there isn t a magic formula. i mean, basically, our problem is we re facing a wall of money. you know, vested interest, legacy industries, they ve got so much money, they ve been pouring it into climate denial, pouring it into electing the politicians they want to thwart the effective change that we need. money is the great. money in politics is the greatest threat to democracy, but also arguably the greatest threat to life on earth. and solving the political funding problem would get us a long way towards where we need to be. i just wonder whether you feel you understand politics. for example, in the uk right now, rishi sunak and liz truss, two senior conservative politicians are vying for the leadership not just of their party, but for the keys to number 10 downing street, to run the country after the resignation or the looming resignation of borisjohnson. now, in their campaign, both have made a point of saying they will get rid of some of the green taxes that have been mooted.
this guy side has given money, and the heartland institute, was a climate denying think tank, and it was big oil, big coal, and from any regulation, protecting rich people from taxation. is there anything that they want to see? they want voter suppression. they captured the supreme court, they want climate denial, they want deregulation. there are polluters, with the reinforcement with them. they want, basically, a very, old school business, really bad business array of changes for super wealthy businesses, and billionaires. leonard leo is long the awkward of billionaires, and
you showed those pictures from the desert southwest. look, too, at the pictures from europe this summer. there are rivers in europe we have been keeping track of for a thousand years, the river poe, the rhine, the danube, they re at levels we ve never seen before. along the danube, nazi warshiped scuttled when the germans were fleeing the advancing russian army reemerged from the mud at the bottom of the danube still fully loaded with ammunition. if you want a metaphor for where we are, that s a good one. well, bill, you know what they say. climate denial is not just a river in egypt. there you go. sorry. they re telling me to stop doing that. sorry. the new denial is delay, and that s what we have to get around to. that s your environmental expertise. we love having you on with that.