pushback on issues over trade, for example, and climate change in particular. that s right. remember the g-20 emerged after the 2008 financial crisis as being the key forum for bringing together the major economies, major economic powers to cooperate, ensure the success of globalism. now we have macron and merkel emerging at the forefront. and donald trump s on the back foot with his american-first agenda, his combative approach. america s got the upper hand. she s also facing elections, as we know, in september. it s playing well in a german context to take a harder line on donald trump. i think we ll be watching carefully. the last meeting between president trump and the european leaders, his first foreign visit, didn t go terribly well. it will be interesting to see whether he does try to change the contours of the relationships, or whether he goes home with a much in a much more difficult position.
make some progress even on the question of climate change. i think one of the things that will be interesting is to watch the body language between the alpha males as they scare up today in paris. they square up today in paris. two different political animals. we know you ll be there for us. thank you very much. yeah. and sometimes it s the media that makes too much of optics. macron called the handshake in brussels a moment of truth. he said that was a very important moment. i love your point about the food, though. blue lobster and caviar is what they re dining on. the president of the united states is a ketchup kind of guy. joining us is analyst julian selezer, historian. it will be an interesting food exchange. let s talk about the relationship. how do you characterize the relationship between a 49-year-old macron and the