plausible that cohen s lawyer talked to trump s lawyer and this outside lawyer for the trump organization about this idea of a pardon without cohen knowing. is that plausible to you or not really? that s certainly possible. if you re a lawyer representing a client rkts will you look at all avenues to help your client. i simply think if the white house were to grant any, that would be social injustice if the intent was to keep the person from testifying. congressman ted lieu, thank you so much. thank you, brianna. democrats say ivanka trump is not on their list right now. that could change, though. you just heard congressman lieu say that. our analyst dana bash is here to sort this out. why isn t ivanka on the list? why she isn t on the list is really interesting, because you could look at that time and say,