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another, whether it means invading, turning it into a failed state, or keeping this going on for so long that it interrupts the alliances of the allies and turns ukraine into a country that can t really function without russia. that s their goal. but for us, we want russia to lean west. we want ukraine to lean west. and i think the people of ukraine want that, too. and so the situation of joining nato, which was really kind of not on the table, could it mean that maybe, as a reaction to this, we could see maybe nato getting closer to ukraine? i think we will, jose. and, not only will this have a knock-on effect in that regard, and an ironic one in the sense that it s exactly what putin didn t want to happen, but the other thing that could occur in europe, as the fins, we were talking about finland a moment ago, and the swedes, two highly competent nations with

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