we ll see. good seeing you. i m still very interested in the snails. how do they do - do it? neil: yeah. you just gotta wobd, right? in the meantime from little critters to the california pension fund. we talk about wasting your money on animal studies. this is a case where the investment officer of calipers is justifying losing millions on green investments. just listen to this. for calpers, clean tech investing has an l curve for lose, and i have to say that our experience is that this has been a noble way to lose money, and we re not here to lose money. so what do you do? are you going to stop? we have dialed back. neil: a noble way to lose money. it might very well be, but you re still losing money which michelle fields, it gets me back to the premise with the snails