i think that s why they re fighting uphill, and i don t think they ll ever win on the medicare issue. what happened today is an indication of that. while we re on ryan, there s also a lot of talk about a 2005 audio of ryan slamming social security. listen to this, e.j. social security right now is a collectivist system. it s a welfare transfer system. if every worker in this country becomes an owner of real life, of seeing the fruits of their labor come and materialize for their benefit, then that many more people in america who aren t going to listen to the likes of dick gephardt and nancy pelosi, ted kennedy, the class warfare breeding demagogues. i mean, is he in another planet, an alternative universe? in that case, he really was. the article which came out from a professor in the midwest, he was talking to ayn rand foeklks