battlefields and artillery. cyber attacks are a real and growing threat. just thursday the justice department accused four russian officials, members of a kremlin security service called the fsb of cyber attacks on critical u.s. infrastructure between 2012 through 2018 including a nuclear powerplant in kansas. and a cnn exclusive i sat down with jen easterly an american intelligence and former army official who s now director of cyber security and infrastructure security agency called cisa. and i began with a question about what that indictment indicates. what i ll say and i think the most important thing to understand here is that the threat is very real. as the president talked about earlier this week, we are seeing intelligence that points to the russian government to include actors like those indicted yesterday exploring options for potential cyber attacks, and we
lviv, just 40 miles from the polish border. as biden s caustic view of the russian president grows darker you are dealing every day with vladimir putin. look at what he has done to these people. what does it make you think. he is a butcher. and his warnings to the russian leader of nato s commitment grows sharper. don t even think about moving on one single inches of nato territory. we have sacred obligations. we have a sacred obligation under article five to defend each and every inch of nato territory. with the full force of our collective power. and the final day of an urgent and heatsly arranged trip to europe that brought biden face-to-face with dozens of western leaders he sat down with polish president pledging close ties for a nato countrying housing u.s. troops. we ac knowledge that poland has taken on a significant responsibility that i don t
sending? are people interpreting that wrong? what do you think? no, i think what the president was saying is that we believe that the people of russia will determine their own leaders, that we don t determine mo the leader will be for another country. but the reality is that mr. putin has brought this upon the people of ukraine. he has diminished the ability of his own country and the quality of life for the people within russia. he is personally responsible for all of that. he has lost legitimacy. no question about it. and he needs to be held accountable. when you hear the president warn putin not to move a single inch into nato territory, that sounds like a clear red line. but how concerned are you that a mistake rather than a deliberate attack on nato on nato land could trying are the u.s. to jump into this war directly? well, there is no question we ve already seen of course attacks very close to the polish border.
just thursday the justice department indicted four russian government officials for hacking, critical u.s. infrastructure. between 2012 to 2018. more now from my exclusive interview with jen easterly, the director of the cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency. and she says she is even private citizens need to be on the alert for malicious russian cyberattacks. all businesses, all critical infrastructure owners and operators need to assume that disrupt i have cyberactivity is something that the russians are thinking about, that are preparing for, that are exploring options, as the president said. and that they should consider themselves vulnerable and at risk. but is your concern now that the intent is there? because the russians are feeling the squeeze from the sanctions? is that what makes this moment different. i think what makes the moment
so this afternoon as president biden met with nato allies in poland some russian missiles landed and exploded right here in lviv, very near where i am now. some people are hurt, thankfully, though, nobody reported killed. but it s in the latest in a series of escalations from russian forces. retired u.s. army general wesley clark joins me now. general, thank you very much. i appreciate you joining us. i was watching you this afternoon and i thought your comments were spot on. i want to talk to you more about this. this afternoon the president of the united states talked about vladimir putin, and he said and i quote here, cannot remain in power, his words. i mean, we should note the white house quickly walked that back, but even still is it out of the question for the u.s. to push for a change in leadership in a place like russia?