well, he just gets a lot of clicks. he gets a lot of i do think that some of the networks and some of the news organizationings feel like when they talk about donald trump their eyeballs go up, the people watching them loyally go up and howie: and they miss him, they miss beating up on him. president trump would say, you re going to miss me and they are. you look at ratings, you look at people tuning in, they do. i do think that biden is completely different when it comes to dealing with the media. think about how many times donald trump answered questions, how many times on the way to the helicopter he just took all kinds of questions. howie: several times a day sometimes. not only that, but we knew every second what he was thinking based on his twitter feed. that s not what we know about president biden and it s different. howie: president biden has done zero interviews with fox news,
i was interested in the substance, the details about his presidency, about how he chose different people, about what the 2020 campaign was like and his arguments about the election and problems with the election. howie: you write donald trump s unique personality contributed to his notable successes and failures. he s harmly blameless for the narrow defeat. what about the fact that he doesn t accept the narrow defeat despite the investigations and lawsuits, insists that the election was to use your book tie tell, rigged. he ll go beyond that. i was frustrated by the conversation after the election where you almost weren t allowed to talk about what happened during the election. it was unlike any election we ever had. there were hundreds of changes to laws and procedures, some legal, some not legal. i was interested in how the media and big tech corrupted our elections by inventing stories, censoring people. by looking into it, i found out so much more, like about how
howie: leslie, have even sympathetic liberal outlets been forced to recognize that joe biden is struggling, especially with the progressive versus moderate paralysis on the hill that means that biden hasn t had a win in quite a while? i don t agree with that. i mean, there has been a pull between me, the central mod et e democratic and pro egress i ve faction and that s been there since before joe biden was elected president and it continues. the reason media is emphasizing that, if it bleeds it leads. cnn, fox, all had the president at 50%. look at what they re saying in the polls. the american people are confused. they say they want less government. every big government ticket item and package they overwhelmingly
talking about election integrity it for the years to come. most americans do want elections where people can vote freely but not cheat freely. they want to have systems in place where they can trust the results of an election. howie: that s what the debate is in about in the stage where the republican controlled states are changing the rules where state legislatures could overturn think about where the talk is going. some certain laws are changed to have voter id or basic protections about what happens with mail-in ballots or whether you mail out tens of millions of ballots to addresses whether or not people are living there, the mildest of changes and the media claims for all year that this was a return to jim crow. that is not a responsible way to talk about this issue and that s why people don t trust anything they have to say about things going forward. howie: let me ask you, in your book you adopt the trumpian term fake news which is part of the culture. you write by 2020 the
he s often seen walking away without questions. is he forfeiting one of the main tools of the presidency which is communicating through the media? yes. i do think they re mercking a strategic calculation that he s not good at that. and that he when he has done them, it has generated its own news based on something he said or not saying. and so they would rather i think from a strategic press point of view have him give a speech and have jen psaki field the questions and do the q & a banter. howie: i would argue that if he makes occasional mistakes and all presidents make a mistake when dealing with the press, that he would have more influence on the news schedule. most days joe biden doesn t fill the news void. if you don t fill it, you cede it to your opponents and the media.