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Transcripts for CNN At This Hour With Berman and Bolduan 20150507 15:07:00

roger goodell, troy vincent is the decider here, to bring up one of our political terms, he s trying to wade through this conflict of interest issue. we should say preponderance of the evidence, civil suit standard, that is in the integrity clause in nfl rooms. that is set out all they have to prove, more criminal version of beyond a reasonable doubt. that s not something they were told to go find. get ready to learn jimmy garoppolo. he s the patriots quarterback that could be playing. tom brady will be sitting on the sidelines or maybe not. thank you so much. great to see you both. turn to baltimore now, new developments in the case of the death of freddie gray. cnn sources say major discrepancies are emerging between police investigation and the prosecutor s investigation. so what we are told, police findings could undercut make of the most serious charges brought by state s attorney marilyn

Transcripts for CNN At This Hour With Berman and Bolduan 20150507 15:03:00

appealing, and they have a right to. i don t think the commissioner likes people who talk about. this doesn t just disagree with the report but does it in a cheeky way. more probable than not the league cooperated in a sting operation. could brady and his agent be making things worse before goodell decides what punishment to mete out? well, i think so. the corroboration between the investigator and the league doesn t make sense because the league has no interest in finding tom brady guilty, finding employees of the new england patriots guilty. that just doesn t make sense to me. if you read the report, and ted wells is a criminal lawyer, so his standard of evidence is always innocent until proven guilty and guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. it s interesting to me that as an attorney, he uses evidentiary

Transcripts for CNN At This Hour With Berman and Bolduan 20150507 15:08:00

moseby against six officers charged in the death of freddie gray. it needs to be said the leaking of this information could very well be designed to undercut marilyn moseby. good morning. it really isn t surprising you have these kinds of leaks coming from either the attorneys and some of the officers or other officials who have actually been able to see police investigation they did as well as the prosecutor s case that was laid out, the base for the charges against the six officers. there s a couple of things. these sources say they believe that the autopsy report does not support homicide. they also believe that the evidence the police have lay out a case for manslaughter, not second degree murder, and that two attorneys, for two of the officers, say they actually wan to see the knife that freddie gray had on his possession when he was apprehended, when he was tackled by the police initially because they believe that that

Transcripts for CNN At This Hour With Berman and Bolduan 20150507 15:16:00

justice system. now they are going to have to prove each and every police officer guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. when i say beyond a reasonable doubt, every element of the charged crime has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt including criminal intention. criminal intent is critical to every charge. it s a whole new ball game now. the defense lawyers are doing what they should do, attacking these charges, held substantial the evidence is, playing to the jury poll when they file these motions. it s a new game now. it s not that easy to convict all these people beyond a reasonable doubt i don t think. i think the last point that you re making about this being a new game, a game now where defense attorneys are actively involved here, police and interested parties, police unions and interested party. without substance of the leagues, the fact they are happening says a lot about the atmosphere under which this case will now be tried.

Transcripts for CNN At This Hour With Berman and Bolduan 20150507 15:04:00

standard for a civil case in this preponderance of the evidence, more likely than not. i think ted wells seems pretty even handed and fair. he s still leaving some room for doubt, some room for tom brady and his agent to dispute and say, hey, look, i agree with the agent in that we don t see the full picture. there are things that tom brady, probably reasons and rational he has that aren t included in the report, where if it was a criminal case and on trial, you would have that opportunity, you would see both sides of the issue certainly going all the way back to robert kraft. he s disappointed, standing by his quarterback. in the end he s saying, look, we re one of 32 teams and i understand the importance of us just sitting down now, being quiet and taking whatever punishment the league hands out. i think most important is this, excuse me, is that robert kraft and bill belichick were found to

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