people say that there s supposed to be a national conversation on race, they do not mean an exchange of the kind that we re having right now. what they mean is a conversion. nobody puts it in so many words, but the way that conversation is supposed to go is that white america is supposed to realize that the civil rights revolution wasn t enough, that structural racism, et cetera, still remains prevalent and that there is still more admitting that needs to be done and probably some sort of second civil rights revolution. that is the basis for what this supposed national conversation about race would be. and i don t think that white people are interested anymore. i don t think that most black people are interested anymore and i don t think it corresponds to modern reality. and so that conversation isn t going to happen. a real conversation is taking place all the time, it s taking place this week, it was taking place last week, and that s showing that racism still exists, but that it s n