going down. one of the reporters who broke that story joins me live, and it was a rough day for a couple of other trump royal figures. trying to stay out of court. why is the senator of south carolina calling the secretary of georgia anyway? all in starts right now. good evening from new york, i m chris hayes. we finally got to hear from donald trump s white house counsel, pat cipollone. on friday, you might remember, he spoke to the january 6th committee behind closed doors for hours. and then at yesterday s hearing, the committee revealed several clips of his videotaped interviews. we are going to play some of that shortly. cipollone s testimony, as far as we can tell, conformed with the broader picture that we have now gathered for many witnesses. donald trump was dead set on staying in office, against the will of the american people, by any means necessary. cipollone was among those in trump s orbit that resisted those efforts in the final days of trump s term in offi
we finally got to hear from donald trump s white house counsel, pat cipollone. on friday, you might remember, he spoke to the january 6th committee behind closed doors for hours. and then at yesterday s hearing, the committee revealed several clips of his videotaped interviews. we are going to play some of that shortly. cipollone s testimony, as far as we can tell, conformed with the broader picture that we have now gathered for many witnesses. donald trump was dead set on staying in office, against the will of the american people, by any means necessary. cipollone was among those in trump s orbit that resisted those efforts in the final days of trump s term in office. now, just ate the obvious, it is a very good thing that people like pat cipollone, and bill barr, and others around donald trump resisted his attempted coup. part of the story that they are telling about how the insurrection came to be, is, i think, wildly misleading. and actually, i have to say, kind of it ran
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was a perfectly ambiguous description of her role. it s not even clear whether that meant in the white house, or in the department of justice, or roving in the executive branch, but it seems that trump imagine that she would ve had the power to seize election machinery, and swing states. and then initiate criminal prosecutions of people that they saw as getting in their way just to show you how extreme this was. this was very much banana republic stuff. i did by mr. cipollone s suggestion that well, it wasn t a real appointment because there are other people paperwork that you have to go through. other it s him using given the trump administration s general advocacy of the unitary executive theory, which is that, to c est moi, and the minute that the president does say something, then that is the law. so certainly city pasta that she had been appointed on that day, when donald trump said make it so. yeah i also say, there s
extreme this was. this was very much banana republic stuff. i did by mr. cipollone s suggestion that well, it wasn t a real appointment because there are other people paperwork that you have to go through. other it s him using given the trump administration s general advocacy of the unitary executive theory, which is that, to c est moi, and the minute that the president does say something, then that is the law. so certainly city pasta that she had been appointed on that day, when donald trump said make it so. yeah i also say, there s something really relate-able about that testimony for anyone who was oh worked or had a boss, the power of the yes boss, right on a boss. that was a and then you just forget about it. in this case, a good deployment of that strategy, congressman jamie raskin, thank you very much. you bet. still ahead, new trouble for trump s old chief of staff, even when the justice