are met. one of the sticking points between ukraine and nato was not creating an official timeline for membership, since they re still at war. max boot, of the council on foreign relations, wrote about that in the washington post this week. i spoke to him earlier. max, thank you forjoining us. i want to start with a recent column you wrote for the washington post. the title was ukraine in nato: my heart says yes, my head says no . how your head and heart feeling after watching this nato summit this week? , , ., ., week? i m feeling pretty good, i think even week? i m feeling pretty good, i think even president - week? i m feeling pretty good, i think even president zelensky based on what he said is feeling 0k, based on what he said is feeling ok, i think the outcome is the best you can hope for, which is that ukraine gets to draw closer to nato, there is a new ukraine nato council, the possibility of ukraine joining nato at some point in the future is out there and it will be easi
summit. the only question now is a matter of timing. we said we don t is a matter of timing. we said we don t believe for the united states we don t believe for the united states that it should be a while states that it should be a while ukraine remains at war with while ukraine remains at war with russia, that would put the united with russia, that would put the united states instantly in a war with united states instantly in a war with russia and you see easily war with russia and you see easily how that would escalate and enter. conflict, i don t and enter. conflict, idon t think and enter. conflict, i don t think anyone in the world wants think anyone in the world wants. at the same time we want to do wants. at the same time we want to do two wants. at the same time we want to do two things, one marketing duty assistance we provided before duty assistance we provided before the onset of the full scale invasion some 16 months full scale invasion some 16 months ag
timeline provided ukraine to walk through it. was that a strong enough message to russia? it strong enough message to russia? , , ., russia? it is very important in many ways russia? it is very important in many ways to russia? it is very important in many ways to think russia? it is very important in many ways to think about - russia? it is very important in many ways to think about not | many ways to think about not having a timeline. if you were to link ukrainian membership to, for example, an end of hostilities or the end of the war, you are going to give russia every excuse to continue fighting for as long as it takes. that was not done, so i think the timeline as president biden said as months, not years, we will have to see how the counteroffensive ukraine is now engaging in will evolve, but the idea is that by the end of the year we hope to be in a position which we have a very serious set of discussions with ukraine about how this war may either end or at least how negot
saying, in fact it is true that countries that are not in nato like georgia or ukraine, d10 get attacked by russia, whereas countries that are in nato, like poland and the baltic republics don t get attacked by russia, i think that is absolutely true. the problem is, how do you get ukraine into nato while it is in the middle of a war with russia, and if it were tojoin anytime of a war with russia, and if it were to join anytime soon, it could invoke article five, the collective defence provision, you could argue that 0k, article five doesn t prescribe any specific cause of action, all it says is that one an attack on one i like is an attack on one i like is an attack on one i like is an attack on them all. the allies would take well, we are carrying out article five by providing weapons and training and intelligence to ukraine. the problem with that is, there has been an assumption that if russia or some other outside power actually does attack one of the nato allies, the other nato
putin to stand by ukraine. vladimir putin estherqin about to stand by ukraine. vladimir putin esther qin about whether can outlast the west, we are making can outlast the west, we are making clear the answer the question making clear the answer the question is no. making clear the answer the question is no. what vladimir putin said question is no. what vladimir putin said this question is no. what vladimir putin said this week - question is no. what vladimir putin said this week after - question is no. what vladimir putin said this week after the | putin said this week after the nato summit in speaking to journalists is the following, quote, i m sure this will not increase the security of ukraine itself and in general will make the world is much more vulnerable and lead to additional tension in the international arena. additional tension in the internationalarena. is additional tension in the international arena. is this promise of nato membership at some point down the road a