the court of voter s suppression issues here in north carolina, that s a focus here. we have clinton will be coming up in the next hour. i want to go back to chris jansi jansing. you see many of the nominee s spouses. compare melania to other potential first lady. reporter: what is she going to be like on her own. it is why i am looking around and talking to people from austria and from the uk and other european countries. she s also somebody that speaks five languages and successful. she s not the first reluctant one. i remember a conversation i had with laura bush when her husband
that maybe they ll go along. violence against women shouldn t be that heavy of a lift. there s just not been enough thought to actual policies that actually help people, and where the base is seems to be very different from where the leadership is. so if the base is very much antiimmigrant, that s a heavier lift. so that s what i m looking for. to see where there s progress, but we ll see. bob, we had my wonderful friend chris i ve been saying that name-dropping, so egregi s egregious, but he was talking about a new study that showed that we elected officials on the state level overestimate how conserve thif their constituents are.
this morning crowds watch black smoke waft from the sistine chapel, signaling no cant had received more than two thirds support. joining us is msnbc s chris jansi jansing. great to see you, i defer to you on this, i hear that the longer this process goes on the higher the likelihood is that we get an unconventional candidate or unconventional front-runner, how accurate is that, do you think? well, history tells us there is some indication of that, and if history is a guide, if we get smoke in the next 20 minutes, we would be on par with the last conclave. pope benedict went in, though, as a fave. i think it s generally felt here there isn t a strong favorite. so the longer this goes on, the
if it s inconclusive the first time, we won t see smoke until after two votes, and then they will burn the ballots. nbc s chris jansing, who has her eyes trained on black smoke, white smoke, and apparently for some part of this morning dennis rodman. i never thought i would add that to the list of things you re doing over there. we may come back to you. thank you for the update, as always. thank you. what does it mean for a country when the middle class becomes an endangered species? we ll talk with joe and harry gan about their new documentary on poverty and the vanishing american dream. that s next on now. [ jackie ] it s just so frustrating. the middle of this special moment and i need to run off to the bathroom. i m fed up with always having to put my bladder s needs ahead of my daughter.
cardinals, and i think surprised a lot of people with how funny, how smart, how wise he was. and he won over a lot of favors. so, i think the other thing that you have to remember is that while they re deeply in prayer, they are also human beings, going into this conclave. and they are looking, like you and me, for who they feel can inspire them and lead the church forward. father mark, when we talk about, and chris brings up the italian influence, there are more italian electors than any other country. again, pope benedict has appointed more than half of the voting cardinals. do you think that that will influence, certainly, with knowing that pope benedict is still alive, and will be pope emeritus, do you think that that will influence how the cardinals vote, thinking of how they would like to see pope emeritus benedict, at least his legacy, remembered? well, i think the block, as they say, of the italians, will