don t want to govern. you ll just grow that group of 20 people. i think that s a terrible concession to make, and frankly it has nothing to do with these supposed high-minded rules change this chaos caucus is demanding. this is just an outright naked political demand. that s something that chip roy in particular has been focusing on, saying he s very interested in these rules changes. do you believe him? it sounds to me like, oh, great, the super pac is not going to try to stop more of our ultra maga guys who have a hard time winning general elections. they don t want mccarthy to back more establishments for candidates, people who are more electable. they want more far right candidates to get nominated and hopefully elected. and they ll become part of this group dhaunt want to govern. this is stunning. this is kevin mccarthy s challenge. he has a big group of people here who do onot want to govern. you re going to grow that group with that concession. but again it has nothing to do
0 i don t think voting tonight is productive. let people work more. reporter: in a positive sign from mccarthy, some of the opponents came out sounding positive, including scott perry of pennsylvania sounded that he said talks had been productive as well as congressman chip roy. they had been asking for more sway over the speakership. some of them had asking to encourage mccarthy s super pac to stay out of certain primaries. they did agree to do that. that may have won some. his path, very narrow. there are at least four republicans who are almost certainly going to vote against him. they absolutely will not vote for kevin mccarthy, including matt gaetz. he can only look forward to lose four republican votes. one more says they will not vote for him, mccarthy cannot get there, which is why these talks are so critical, expected to continue through tonight until tomorrow. the house reconvenes at that time. he had given up a lot to get the votes he has gotten thus far. how much mo