fiction and it s not remotely like what you are doing day to day or were doing day to day, it is just a bit too close? you can separate it, - although it was borderline cathartic to see my- headquarters being blown up in one of them, i can t- remember which one it was. let s dive into the real world rather than the movie world. i just wonder, are at their new emerging kind of threats in the world that people in the diplomatic world are aware of but we in the general public don t have an inkling of yet and we are totally in the dark about? not really. by and large, things hit us first if you like, - but it isn t rocket science. the obvious categoriesl of threat are those that you would be able to list. talk to us about china, the threat of china and the whole business of gathering intelligence on how china works.
let s dive into the real world rather than the movie world. i just wonder, are at their new emerging kind of threats in the world that people in the diplomatic world are aware of but we in the general public don t have an inkling of yet and we are totally in the dark about? not really. by and large, things hit us first if you like, - but it isn t rocket science. the obvious categoriesl of threat are those that you would be able to list. talk to us about china, the threat of china and the whole business of gathering intelligence on how china works. i think there is a realisation taking place on china - that history didn t end. it didn t end and liberal democratic capitalism hasn t reigned supreme
allies, that is a strong partnership and that is an advantage that we have over china and that is a very clear message. since you ve been involved in cyber negotiations with china and since you know how china works, is there any chance that this sort of hacking could happen without the go-ahead without the chinese government? well, you know, i think xi jinping would like to think not. but in fact it is hard to control a country of that size. so i think what we re trying to say here is, look, china, xi jinping, you are in a bad place either way. right? either you are responsible and we are going to hold you responsible directly for stopping this activity that you are directly sanctioning, or you do not have control, which you claim to have all around the world. and things are happening beyond your control. and i think so he loses either
the fruits of a capitalist system. what they have not allowed the chinese people at all is any degree of political freedom, any real ability to freely express themselves, to express dissent against the ruling party. are you telling me that that total disconnect between economic freedom and political, intellectual freedom is sustainable for the long term? first of all, stephen, allow me to disagree with your analysis. first of all, i think the system in china works for china today under the chinese circumstances. secondly. but, mr gao, it only works if you re prepared to see all of those who dissent locked up, repressed, surveilled, robbed of what we in the west call basic human rights. allow me to disagree with you again why? because i would say any society
in the united states as a deprivation of the people s fundamental rights of life. and we cannot allow private ownership of guns. that doesn t mean that. no, but, mr gao, you re not really addressing my central point about freedom and democracy, cos what we see on this 100th anniversary is the chinese communist party has found ways, ideological contortions to enable the people of china to get rich, to make money, to enjoy many of the fruits of a capitalist system. what they have not allowed the chinese people at all is any degree of political freedom, any real ability to freely express themselves, to express dissent against the ruling party. are you telling me that that total disconnect between economic freedom and political, intellectual freedom is sustainable for the long term? first of all, stephen, allow me to disagree with your analysis. first of all, i think the system in china works