think. what do you know. putting a narrative out there that frames the facts in a useful way so people can use the information is the chief problem that we have today. and it is what we will face going forward. and i think the future actually is bright. i think the future does portend well for reporters and for i mea mean, we can never be first anymore. social media will beat you to the event. it there is a fire, shooting, whatever, there will be someone with a phone there before we are. what we are our coin of the realm and what these shows to like your and others is make sure that we have vetted facts. we re first with vetted facts. that is what makes us relevant and will also keep us relevant for matter the platform. i m glad we ended on a positive note. thank you for being the first and last guest on this program. and thank you for having me. it was always a pleasure. and i want everybody to know, cnn s media coverage is
that. so, what s changed? and how might his cooperation help investigators? i ve got the right person to ask. joining me now is michael cohen, who once served as donald trump s lawyer and chief problem soul for. michael flip on his old boss help with that probe into russian meddling. but what did he get for meddling? possibly a clean conscience, but also three years in prison. so what is the roadmap for a potential trump indictment? right now as michael cohen, vice president of the trump organization and former counsel to donald trump. michael, you are also the host of the podcast mea culpa. i know that you have talked about this a decent amount but i want to know. based on your experience cooperating with various law enforcement investigations, can you give us some insight on what ali alexander might be in for now? he says he s collaborating with the doj and their probe into the capitol. let me say this. i don t particularly care for
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