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times. good morning to you. good morning. do you expect the government shutdown to really run right up to the debt ceiling deadline on october 17th or will there be a solution before then? no, i think we re going to work right up to the deadline. i think that congress is going to maybe try to work on both at the same time. it s not clear yet, though, if that s how it is going to unfold. how does this political game of chicken help anybody? people are frustrated by this. i think anyone just watching this unfold has to think that this is no way to govern and that people are lawmakers are trying to make a stand more than they re trying to get something done. but no matter what the perception is of people out there, the debt ceiling limit, i think, is much more is putting more pressure on lawmakers to try to negotiate something than the shutdown. indeed, according to cnbc the dow lost 61% of it s gains since