trump s knows that, his lawyer know that. the 14 republican lawyers that filed an amicus brief, some of whom have been on this network today who filed a brief against trump, they know this, they know the strength of this case. this case is much more important than the others because if it occurs before the election, then we have the full narrative of what donald trump has done to obstruct our ordinary democracy in this country as we have known it for more than 250 years. no president has done what is alleged in this case. reporter: to your point, january 6th, and this case, go to the very heart of american democracy. the peaceful transfer of power. carl bernstein, as always, thank you very much. thank you. reporter: and next, michelle obama s as a black man indicted by trump could not run for office, angela bride join me, we will also be talking about charlamagne writing his endorsement of president biden. and is it possible that there were no bolts in that door plug that fell of