election cycle, bret? bret: peter doocy live on the north lawn, thanks. senator rand paul from kentucky is receiving backup tonight in his argument with dr. anthony fauci over what is called gain of function research and whether it was being funded by the u.s. in that wuhan china lab where the coronavirus may have originated. i spoke on my podcast today with josh rogin, columnist with the the washington post. also author of the new book chaos under heaven. what s underlying this question is the fact that we don t know what the nih was doing in all of these would hand labs and a lot of people, including rand paul, quite rightly want to know, what was anthony fauci s awareness of all of that and what did he think he was funding and is that exactly what he ended up funding? and those efforts as published by the wuhan institute of virology took bat coronavirus and modified them in a way that
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that coronavirus left a wuhan lab to be just as credible as that it developed naturally. this is an inkrecredible shift m the white house. josh rogan, author of chaos under heaven has been extensively covering the investigations into the origins of the coronavirus and steven goldstein, virologist at the university of utah, push ing bak hard against the lab leak theory. mr. goldstein, let me start with you here. this weekend the nation s top doctor, anthony fauci, on cnn, here is what he said. take a listen. i, together with many highly qualified vaccinologists and virologists, i mean, including a recent paper by 21
washington post columnist. josh is the author of chaos under heaven. thank you, gentlemen, for coming on the show to discuss this. dr. schaffner, let s start with you. this afternoon on cnn, we heard from dr. anthony fauci, the nation s point man on the pandemic. here is what he had to say. let s listen. i together with many highly qualified vaccinologists virologists, i mean, in a paper by renowned virologists from all over the world indicate that although we keep an open mind that it could be a lab likeak, that the most likely explanation is a natural evolution from an m animal reservoir to a human.
and they ve, also, said that researchers should look at other countries and whether covid originated from there. that has been china s view. pamela brown, appreciate it. thanks perspective now from josh rogan, washington post columnist, who s written extensively on the subject of the he is also author of chaos under heaven, trump, xi, and the battle for the 21st century. so, josh, you broke a story in the washington post in april of 2020 about two diplomatic cables from the state department that warned of safety issues within wuhan lab a couple years ago. it s certainly not a smoking gun. the cables. but but they did warn of risky coronavirus research and bad-safety procedures. and that i mean, if it s not a smoking gun, it s certainly, you know, a whiff of smoke. right. it s just to say that there have been concerns, for a long time, about the risky coronavirus research that was going on in a series of chinese labs, including the wuhan institute of virology. and again, t
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