now, i come from the state where joe mccarthy came from. i met joe mccarthy twice when i was first getting into politics as a teenager. folks, you have made joe mccarthy look like a piker with what you ve done with the electronic surveillance involved. it is something that has to be put a stop to now. it is something that has to be fessed up to now. whether it s you, mr. goldman, that authorized the matching and the publication or whether it was chairman orschiff. i would have loved to put chairman schiff under oath so that he could be required to answer the same way you have, mr. goldman, on how this all happened. but as one who has spent quite a bit ofas time curtailing the excesses of the patriot act,
to hurt his domestic political opponent? yes, that s what the evidence showed. i ve come to understand that america s values of democracy and justice must have the vital pillars of thtruth, factual tru, and trust. the former judge and one who set on this committee during impeachment in 1998, the truth matters. it s clear that the8, president really cared about did not really care about fighting corruption in ukraine but wanted his own personal interests to be considered. that kind of puts in perspective, ambassador sondland, that they didn t care whether ukraine actually investigated. but really whether they just announced it. it is certainly well-known that it is our duty as the president poses a continuing threat to under the constitution,ea pursu the untruth. that is our duty. we re now proceeding to do our duty to find the truth. thank you, mr. chairman. the gentle lady yields back. the gentleman from ohio. thank you, mr. chairman. this is the second hearing on impeachmen
therefore, we don t get to know the original six people who formed the basis of this entire thinged we ve been going throug nowg for three months. but we did talk to 17 people, right, mr. castor? that s right. 17 depositions and you were in every single one. you were the lawyer doing the republicans in every single one, is that right? yes, sir. and there is, one witness w theys relied on and built thei report around. one witness. who would that witness because i read their report. it s obviously one witness. ambassador sondland. ambassador sondland.bv i think you said earlier his name wassa mentioned i don t know what d you say? ay 611 times. more than lieutenant colonel vindman who was on thean call. more thanma ambassador taylor, their star witness the very first hearing in the intelligence committee. not the whistle-blower. they relied on ambassador sondland. why d they pick sondland, mr. castor? it s probably the best they got. because that s the best they
you re investigating the wrong guy, mr. chairman.it mr. cohen. thank you, sir. mr. goldman, i d like to bring us back to the next president to this president, not the next president. and stay focused on the july 25 call. the president s abuse of office for his benefit, no one else s. now, as my colleague ms. jackson lee confirmed, the president s request for these investigations was not an objective of u.s. foreign policy, correct? that s right. is there any evidence the national security council wanted an investigation into the bidens, burisma, or any alleged ukrainian interference in 2016? no. any evidence about the state department wanting them? no. how about the dod? the dod want those investigations? no evidence of that. did any witness tell you that they wanted ukraine to investigate the bidens of the 2016 election? no. we certainly know now that the ukrainians did not want it either. in fact, they d made it very clr they did not want to be an instrume
hearing todayhi and in the previous hearings. not even to allow mr. gaetz to make a point of order that he can t see what you put on the screen, i think goes against the entire fabric, you know, of american democracy. shame on those who have done it. and if we want to get back to something objective, maybe it s time to push the recess button. i yield back. chairman nadler, could i just respond quickly on the only because it s mr. chairman, i yielded back. no. no. no. i didn t ask him a question. i made a statement. the gentleman yielded back. the the gentleman yielded back. ms. jackson. so, mr. goldman, let s get to the facts again. during the phone conversation on july 25th with president zelensky, president trump was narrowly focusing on his own politicalis survival using his public office for a private and political gain. the truth matters.