manafort case and preparing for trial at that point. what can you tell us about the evidence that exists of trump s criminality in that case? well, i do think that one thing i would do is maybe expand the lens a little bit because manhattan is clearly looking at this sort of campaign fraud that michael cohen was at the center of. in other words, that he was paying off stormy daniels and it was being couched as legal payments, which of course it wasn t. and this was actually to keep her quiet so it didn t actually spring out just before the election, but the manhattan district attorney s office was also looking at a wide range of financial fraud, and this is where there is a little bit of an intersection between what you just started with potentially and what manhattan is looking at. it s useful to remember that
investigation that this is at the center of. all right. john mill. thanks for that. and as chief ramsey was saying, when you watch this unfold and the method cal steps to neutralize it underlines the dangerous work that people in the law enforcement community do and our hats off to them. we re grateful to them for the work that they do. and we re going to take a quick break. everybody stay with us. when we come back on the other side, we ho tpe to bring you ne developments and hopefully get some certainty from officials here in the coming minutes and maybe hours as to whether or not this is indeed the suspect from the monterey park mass shooting. stay with us. more in just a few moments. we ll be right back. an all-star menu of delicious subs.
don t think it will work i know. i think it will be a diversion and and up hurting them in 2024. kurt, what is your best sense? this donald trump stay in this race? if it does, to any of the people that we have been talking i think a lot of people are betting on the fact that ron desantis is going to get in, but run desantis is up against donald trump, it s not clear what happens there. yeah, i think the trump days in this because this is really his legal defense mechanism right here. running for president in donald trump s mind is a legal shield. all the money that he is going to raise my as well before a legal defense fund the fend off all the lawsuits and investigations that he is the center of. that s not donald trump is really doing this, and you watch how the first months of his so-called presidential campaign unfolded, he s not really acting like a candidate running for president in any way. he s just sitting there using the specter of that label, presidential candidate to
people that we have been talking i think a lot of people are betting on the fact that ron desantis is going to get in, but run desantis is up against donald trump, it s not clear what happens there. yeah, i think the trump days in this because this is really his legal defense mechanism right here. running for president in donald trump s mind is a legal shield. all the money that he is going to raise my as well before a legal defense fund the fend off all the lawsuits and investigations that he is the center of. that s not donald trump is really doing this, and you watch how the first months of his so-called presidential campaign unfolded, he s not really acting like a candidate running for president in any way. he s just sitting there using
charges to go forward. again, both those things have gone forward. juries have now endorsed them. and it strengthens the hand in the proud boys case, but also in the big case, the case that, frankly, the justice department is working towards, which is the one that trump is at the center of. the question of whether the former president was impeding the transfer of power, whether he was part of a conspiracy to do that is part of what the justice department is pursuing. and this strengthens their hand in that investigation. i was really curious on your perspective, elie. is it clear to you what this means for donald trump? well, i think, first of all, kate, big picture. this is a forceful rejection of many of the lies donald trump and others have told about the election and about january 6th. this is a redection of the idea that this was not organized, that this was spontaneous, that this was not serious, that this was not violent. it was a rejection by a jury,