program you would offer? let s start with that one, matt. what about the tax reform, ron wyden is invoking what bill bradley has done some years back. talk about the political stuff that has to come together for that to work? in order to do fundamental tax reform, lowering rates, eliminating loopholes, are you raising revenue or are you going to be revenue neutral? you need a chairman of the ways and means committee and the chairman of the finance committee that have their political futures at stake and think this will really enhance them. you need to have a president and secretary of treasury, particularly the secretary of treasury that can cut the deal in the room at the end of the day. you need somebody who is a cell lot who will do nothing more than talk about this to drive it forward. that s the question i want to ask you, senator. the cell lot?
secretary of treasury, particularly the secretary of treasury that can cut the deal in the room at the end of the day. you need somebody who is a cell lot who will do nothing more than talk about this to drive it forward. that s the question i want to ask you, senator. the cell lot? you were against running against the incumbent democratic establishment. you would have never, ever been open to the kind of social security cuts being bandied about? i don t think you can have that role played in the current climate. the issue is if you re going to do a big deal and really get the deficit down over the long-term, you can t take social security off the table. you can t take medicare, you can t take defense off the table. all those things have to be on the table as well as taxes. and politicians who try to sell one side or the other side as the answer just aren t leveling with the american people. the numbers don t add up.