world donald trump knew from his disco days and from getting in the celebrity columns. it s like walter winchell era. i think, unfortunately, that s what he thinks the press is. he doesn t know about the high end of the press that carl bernstein represents. and i think, listen, if joe scarborough did put his hand in this, and say we ve got it, i think at some point, there s some pressure on him to show some evidence, because trump will keep saying like, fake news, blah, blah, blah. i believe i mean, you know, give me between mika and joe and trump i m going with mika and joe. but, this is a case now where if that s true, that s horrible. and brian you know everybody on this panel knows how this stuff is done. it s a kind of wink and nod and informal thing. maybe jared kushner said just call the president up and make this thing go away have a better idea for a story for you. yes, yes, yes.