let s borrow more. i think steve is right. this should be a regular conversation because as he points out. we ve not had a budget passed by the senate in the last four or five years, for crying out loud. there has to be check and balance. jonas says let s get rid of it. my gosh let s get rid of everything and spend whatever we have out there. so like todd said we could stimulate the economy and all of that spending hasn t worked and buried us in a deep hole and we need to pay attention to this stuff. air right if the ceiling works, how did we get in the mess? it s been raised 119 times, and. exactly, it shouldn t be, it shouldn t be raised at all and that s why you should have the budget and stick to it. reagan was wrong, clinton was wrong, bush was wrong. brenda: jonas get in there. and the reason market debt ceiling, every country, greece hit theirs and that s the debt ceiling your credit card limit goes up all the time when you can handle more borrowing,