allegations british pm borisjohnson s staff held parties in breach of lockdown rules last year. i m joined by alex haslam, he s a professor of psychology at the university of queensland, and specialises in the psychology of leadership. he joins me from the south coast of new south wales, a warm welcome to the programme, alex. first of all, give us your take on this situation unfolding in the uk and what the fallout could be for the prime minister. i think it will be very for the prime minister. i think it will be very substantial - it will be very substantial fallout. in many ways it is a catastrophe for his leadership and cataclysmic for the followership that that leadership should inspire. so the point about leadership is notjust to be seen as a leader, it is to get people to go along with your ideas and to accept your authority and to follow your guidance. but i
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50 senators onboard. it was filibustered again and again and again. so now it is crystal clear that there are not ten republicans. we haven t seen one republican, certainly won t see ten, willing to work with them on. so it s protect our democracy or protect this jim crow filibuster. that choice is now clear. you used the word cataclysmic. the other thing that is cataclysmic is the debt ceiling. talk about why filibuster reform is really essential for the upcoming debt ceiling fight? sure. just last month, we saw senator mcconnell and his republican caucus threaten to tank the economy to the first time refuse to work with democrats, something that has been done time and again to increase the debt limit. he caved last time. he gave a short-term extension,
usually democrats and republicans come together and they basically agree together to extend the united states credit line this has never happened before that the united states has defaulted on the debt ceiling. that would be a cataclysmic for an economy still recovering. what s likely to happen after this fails in the senate tonight is we re likely to see democrats delink the things and contend with them in two parts they re two things one is politics as usual and the other isn t. one thing that bears repeating, we re talking about a bill that essentially pays the credit card debt we ve already incurred we re not talking about new spending to the point there, for congress, it can often seem like these fights boil down to power. republicans versus democrats but federal workers could be furloughed, millions of folks waiting to see their medicare. could include families wondering the their community college bill