of it. how does that answer playing with the audience you saw deliver it to? i think it played well with that audience, lawrence. i think the way in she owned it, she took a bad situation. she has no explanation for it, they have no excuse. they let someone go from the campaign today. but in that room from heitkamp s supporters i think she owned the mistake and apologize for it. i think as a political matter it s left her campaign which you suggested in your intro in a difficult place. she was starting to see someday light with kevin kramer pulling away even before the kavanaugh vote. the margin has widened during the kavanaugh confirmation controversy. we haven t seen polling since the vote itself. but because of the polling in the state on kavanaugh she knew that taking that vote was going
post-office box address in all of their identification. the suppression of the tribal vote and senator heitkamp s decision to vote against the confirmation of brett kavanaugh meant that her campaign was going to be in an up hill climb in which they could not afford any mistakesch and then the heitkamp campaign made a serious mistake. the challenger criticized the me too movement about being for victimization. and as the new york times reports, mr. kramer said they cannot understand this movement towards victimizization. they are pie nears of the prairie. these are tough people whose parents were tough and great-grandparents were tough. saying we are all survivors of domestic violence, sexual assault or rape, we are all
to imperil her career even more than it was already in peril. she told me later in this interview, she said, i knew this was the hill that i was choosing to die on in some ways, that i was making a vote that was a very tough vote. i know i had to make it, and i knew it might cost me re-election, and i was willing oo do it. she s spirited and she s tough, but the circumstances here are very, very have very difficult for her going forward. and this mistake she made on monday has not made anything better. you can watch politics for a long time and not see a senator cast a vote where the senator knowingly is very, very aware this could cost an election. how is the kavanaugh vote what does she hear about the kavanaugh vote on the campaign trail? i think she s hearing obviously, and we re hearing this going around talking to voters, too, as we have in a lot of places in the country. there are clearly a lot of women who admire that agree with her for voting no, who think she
was that her main political virtue in this state is not someone who s she s with trump about half the time, against trump about half the time. what people admire her for is her political independence. and there s a lot of people here whose attitude is politics has gotten way too tribal in america. it s a conservative state, but a state as you recall put people like the u.s. senate democrats of an independent center strike. they like that about heidi heitkamp. and i think there are a fair number of voters and say it was a vote of courage, a vote where she was voting against the easy politics of the moment and what the polls told her to do. so she gets credit for it in some quarters, but you also run into a lot of conservative voters in this state. it s a very red state. she s the only democrat statewide here, the state legislators, the governor, the other senator all republicans, and very republican. there are a lot of voters here,
to imperil her career even more than it was already in peril. she told me later in this interview, she said, i knew this was the hill that i was choosing to die on in some ways, that i was making a vote that was a very tough vote. i know i had to make it, and i knew it might cost me re-election, and i was willing to do it. she s spirited and she s tough, but the circumstances here are very, very have very difficult for her going forward. and this mistake she made on monday has not made anything better. you can watch politics for a long time and not see a senator cast a vote where the senator knowingly is very, very aware this could cost an election. how is the kavanaugh vote what does she hear about the kavanaugh vote on the campaign trail? i think she s hearing obviously, and we re hearing this going around talking to voters, too, as we have in a lot of places in the country. there are clearly a lot of women who admire that agree with her for voting no, who think she