steel order could be one that he uses and likely would be one that he uses to attack credibility of the court and to raise the temperature on things. i think the judges want to bring calm to chaos, calm things down, keep eye on the ball, let s get this trial done and let s not worry about sideshows and i think donald trump is all about disruption and chaos so creating all of this sideshow is part of his game plan and so even if the judge takes the bait and jails him i think there is some concern that the judge is taking his eye off the ball which is getting this trial to a verdict. always thought about the road to is paved in trying to game out what trump will do. right? so trump is going to, he already has 80% of his supporters do not believe in the legitimacy of these charges and these are facts not really in dispute by donald trump. and unlike the mar-a-lago case word trump is running on those facts, residential records, you can do it. and the january 6th case, before
judge tanya chutkan where he is running for president alongside the other insurrectionist, he is not running on his alleged affair with stormy daniels or care of dougal, he is not running on the checks he wrote from the oval office. he is not running on the facts because these are not facts that he wants out there. and even worse than that, all he is looking to do is to create symbols for more people to buy in the narrative he has created. this narrative that justice is against him, most most of his supporters believe there is some republicans who don t believe it but maybe would believe it if they saw donald trump, for instance, in handcuffs because they would say, well that is just too far. i do think he wants to be seen as some sort of a martyr on the alt-right and he is trying to paint exactly, as barb has said, the officials and all of these cases to step over what his supporters would consider a line and create that scenario. i remember debating this during the trump administra
interchange the motions and good faith at some point you have to accept this courts rulings, or having opening statements monday. and at some point in that, donald trump started to stand up and said sir, we are not finished, sit down and donald trump was incredibly humbled by that but also peeved when he walked out hugely scans the press in attendance at every hearing i have been through with him and this was my fourth trump trial in the last year but he looked dead straight ahead, his lips pursed and that characteristic trump way and was shaking his head as he was walking out, just so angry that he has finally met a wall that he can t tear down and judge one mershon has been very harsh with the defense but not necessarily in a harsh tone of voice pick is making clear that this is his courtroom, we are going to have opening
the capital on jan. 6 of what are you aware of forcibly moving any of the trump supporters turned insurrectionist on that day? now, i am not aware. i was focused on protecting my colleagues in the house gallery point i was a part of a group of about seven several dozen members who are trapped in the house gallery that day, working on figuring out how to barricade the doors to prevent access to the gallery and eventually how to find an escape route. it was obviously a very difficult situation and luckily, thanks to the courage of the u.s. capitol police, we were able to find a way to safety. and i guess my point is, this is it someone who believes in treating all protesters the same, i mean, the op-ed for which there was much attention around was about using the insurrection act on, in the context of the protest that erupted after the murder of george floyd.
corruptly and nefariously. it is undermining that trust that is perhaps one of the greatest long-term threats to the viability stability and future success of this country because a democracy depends certainly on the trust in our systems, our systems were never perfect but always the process of improving them. when you get like people like trump and his allies, that so such doubt in the system, none of it can be trusted, that is when the whole thing begins to collapse. cleanout a panel of 12 jurors and six alternate jurors, assembled in a panel with a purpose and mission, determining trump s terminal fate, we are left to wonder with the tidal wave crashing around us what will happen next. is the question we will get to in this hour with some of our most favorite experts and friends. winston university professor of sociology and international affairs, back with us point also joining us from u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst barbara mcquaid is here