with we want to have moderate increase in interest rates, but i think there are people that are edgy about if there were a sharp increase in interest rates that might cause a correction in the market bringing on a sequence of events. they re playing it very carefully here and understand winding qe3 carefully, and it s so far hasn t created any panic at all. so i think they re on the right policy and everything looks okay. bob, always good to talk to you. thank you for joining us to shed light on this. robert shiller, yale university, co-founder of case shiller nobel prize winner. coming up, paul manafort, rick gates back in court after being indicted. why their attorneys are arguing that their court-ordered conf e confinements should be lifted. we ll take you there live after