television would say that he hates you or hates the defense. she doesn t. she doesn t hate me or the defense. reporter: the side bars, people look at that and of course we don t hear it. we only see. it seems terse, it seems awkward, it seems like many of the rulings went against the defense. so it would be wrong to say that the judge doesn t like you personally? it would be wrong. actually, i know debra nelson judge nelson for years and years. she s been on the bench for a long time. she s known to be stern and strict and to know the law. i will tell you and i m just not placating her, you will note that even though the rulings didn t go our way like i would like them to, she was always well prepared, she does her case law research, she does her homework. you mention a case, she knows the case. those are the signs of a very good judge. and full days every day, weekends, depositions at night.