called the kilcher and where you follow every single step along the attack cheney and put in the defense of every steps they get past three of them can t get back to the fourth one. we are not doing that. we are writing reports about the voter devotees and the utilities without even looking at how the network is done. islamic the one thing people need to face up to is that we cannot protect ourselves against the high end attacks. no more than we can protect ourselves always against missile or aircraft or terrorist group. so the people who are at the top of the game are going to be able to get through and we need to think of other ways, resiliency, deterrence, military doctrine, along with the hardening of the critical infrastructure. there is always an opportunity because a lot of this depends on trekking one person, and i can tell you now that for every 1,000 people can trick at least one. catherine litronate, you mentioned earlier the state players. is china if ret and is